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12 Aug, 2009

England’s retirees set to make a comeback

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Apparently England is seriously thinking of bringing back Mark Ramprakash or Marcus Trescothick for the final Test at The Oval. I find this unbelievable.

Mark Ramprakash prepares for a return to Test Match cricket

Firstly, if Ramprakash or Trescothick are good enough for the fifth Test, why weren’t they good enough for the previous four Tests? Why weren’t they even considered for the previous four Tests?

Secondly, imagine what England crowds and the media would be saying if the situation was reversed and Australia was talking about recalling a 39 year old player. It’d be on for young and old!!  Who could that Australian player be? How about one of Australia’s national selectors, Jamie Cox. He’s just a month younger than Mark Ramprakash, he’s made big runs at Australian domestic and England county level (51 first class centuries), and as a selector he could pick himself for the side! Or how about Shane Warne, who is also 39 years old. Now that would worry England.

Now consider the headlines if Jamie Cox was being considered as a replacement player for Simon Katich, or if Shane Warne was looking at getting a game ahead of Nathan Hauritz:

“Australia: Grandad’s Army”

If a 39 year old was to play for Australia, he would be old enough to be the father of Australia’s youngest squad member, Phillip Hughes. It really would be a step up from “Dad’s Army” to “Grandad’s Army”!

Where are these headlines in the England daily papers?  They’re not there because some people in the English media would love to see one of the old guys come back again and save the day for mighty England. It’d certainly make a great movie. :)

So, will Trescothick or Ramprakash play the fifth Test at The Oval? No. England selectors are smarter than we sometimes give them credit for, and I think the only change they’ll make will be to remove Ravi Bopara (who is obviously out of his league playing Australia at Test level), and replace him with Robert Key or Jonathan Trott. That’s it. No big comeback, no strictly come dancing, no romantic finale. All the talk about Ramps and Tresco making a comeback is ridiculous. England has lost just the one Test for goodness sake!  One Test!  There’s no need to be bringing players out of retirement at this stage.

Updated August 15, 2009: England’s selectors have apparently done exactly what I expected them to do and have dumped Ravi Bopara and replaced him with Jonathan Trott for the Fifth Test:

“England will give Jonathan Trott a Test debut against Australia at The Oval next week as they seek to reverse the horrors of Headingley by pulling off a victory that would regain the Ashes.

They will resist the clamour for mass changes after an innings defeat in the fourth Test, with Ravi Bopara the only batsman to suffer. Bopara will be dropped, with Ian Bell taking his place at No3.”
- England drop Ravi Bopara and bring in Jonathan Trott for Ashes finale

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13 Responses to "England’s retirees set to make a comeback"

1 | Keith

August 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

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Yes well, Dr Bennett was the first one I heard bring up the idea of Mark Ramprakash, and I don’t think it’s a bad one.
It really shouldn’t matter what the press from any country says. :-) That shouldn’t be the issue.

2 | David B

August 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

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Mark Ramprakash is the best batsman in England. He has a career first class average of well over 50, a season’s average of over 100, has scored over 100 centuries, has recently made 274, and he bats at number three, which has been the problem position for England. True his Test record is poor, but that was all a long time ago. It’s an important game, so PICK HIM!

3 | Jeremy C

August 12th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

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There is no doubt that there is a serious problem with England’s batting line up – save for Strauss.
Cook is good, but has technical issues; Bopara looks most uncomfortable; Bell too consistently fails to deliver. Collingwood, so often a saviour looses the plot from time to time.
An opening partnership of Strauss & Trescothick would be excellent, if MT was up for it of course. At No3 should be the best batsman for the last five seasons that England have seen in a long while. Someone who the last time he played in an ashes test at the Oval hit 133. Someone who under the pressure of playing in a team who’s results have been comprehensively awful has still delivered some of the best innings of his career. His detractors seem only to refer to the record book. Those of us who have actually bothered to go and watch county cricket know that Mark Ramprakash is in the form of his life. He has batted supremely well in the second and first divisions for the past four years scoring over 2000 runs in two of them (back to back) while averageing over 100! Regardless of the situation in any walk of life ageism is abhorrent. The best players should be in the team, period.

4 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

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Keith: You’re right – it doesn’t matter what the press says. I only raised the point to try and get the other side (that is, you English fans :) ) to see this from an Australian point of view.

5 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

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David B: I agree that he’s batting well, but if Ramprakash is the best batsman in the country, why hasn’t he played for England for a few years? Why didn’t he play in the first three Tests? And if he plays well, will he get picked for his country again?

Obviously only England’s national selectors can honestly answer those questions, but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.

6 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

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Jeremy C: I agree that the best players should be picked and that age really shouldn’t come into it. But picking a player with a modest Test record for one solitary Test, as seems to be the case here, just doesn’t seem helpful to me. From what I’ve read he tenses up and underperforms when under pressure … how huge would the pressure be on him if he is asked to make a one Test comeback in order to win the Ashes???

Furthermore, the fact that Ramprakash is being viewed as a One Test Wonder would suggest that age is clearly part of the issue as far as Geoff Miller and the England selectors are concerned (if age wasn’t an issue they would be looking at him as a long term solution), and that’s another part of the problem for me.

With that in mind my feeling is that Ramprakash is not the best number 3 Test Match player in the country. He has done well at county level, but the deciding Test in an Ashes series is a big step up. The fact that this is a once off creates further problems. If I were an England selector, I’d be opting for someone else.

7 | Jeremy C

August 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

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You make a compelling argument against Ramprakash, and if you are right then I agree he should not be picked.

But I believe that he has changed, and that he could (not will) help regain the Ashes. I am also of the view that he have should been selected a long time ago – but that is history.

Interestingly the tensing up and not dealing with the pressure appears to be a problem for Bopara, Bell & Shah; that is an issue for the coaching staff to deal with.

It’s a strange paradox that despite arguing for different approaches, we actually want the same thing – for the ashes to be returned to England.

If at the end of August, the little urn is safely back at headquarters, nobody – not even me, will be complaining about how it got there. But if it’s not, well we’ll all be able to discuss further about the opportunities that were missed, and what might have been had certain individuals been picked over others.

8 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 13th, 2009 at 6:02 am

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Jeremy C: You said:
“It’s a strange paradox that despite arguing for different approaches, we actually want the same thing – for the ashes to be returned to England.”

Well, no. I’m an Australian fan through and through, so I’d like to see Australia win the fifth Test. However, I’m also a fan of the game of cricket, so any talk about cricket interests me. :)

9 | David B

August 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

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I will add to my earlier comments on Ramprakash by saying that he has averaged over 90 in each of the last four seasons in English cricket. I don’t think anyone has ever done that before. He is recognised as a better player now than when he played Test cricket. (His last Test was seven years ago.)
England have been trying to look to the future by picking younger players, one of whom has been Bopara. He obviously has not looked comfortable in this series, so it is time to put him back into County Cricket to develop his game further. Bopara will be back I am sure, for he is a very good player, but now is not the time to build for the future, it is the time to pick the very best team available. Ramprakash deserves to be in it.

10 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 14th, 2009 at 6:11 am

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David B: Ramprakash has certainly been playing very well at county level, but I can’t understand why he is being considered for a single Test. If he is the best batsman going around, why won’t the England selectors look at him as a longer term solution? That’s what I find most ridiculous about this scenario. If he’s good enough for this Test at The Oval, then he’s good enough for England’s tour of South Africa in November and beyond (assuming he plays well enough in The Oval Test). England would want to pick the very best team for the South Africa tour as well, wouldn’t they?

11 | Dustbinner

August 16th, 2009 at 1:13 am

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I don’t believe either Trescothick or Ramps were a serious consideration, just the english media going a bit nuts and making it sound that way. Key is another one who was hoping for the call, and maybe more seriously than the other two, but it ain’t gonna happen.

As an Aussie, I would find it quite funny because we would definitely win the test :-)

You are right about the comments that would be made if Australia did anything similar. As you say, there were comments previously about Ponting’s grandad’s army. Something would have to be said if Ramps and/or Trescothick had been called up for the Oval.

It’s interesting, however, that you use the example of Warne being played instead of Hauritz. I am a big Hauritz fan. No, he’s not Shane Warne but who the hell is? That man was extraordinary.

But I digress, my point was going to be that I have noticed a lot of my fellow Aussies calling for Hauritz’s blood (although less so since the Cardiff test) and wanting Warne back in the side!! Why do Australians dislike Hauritz so much? I live in the UK now, so have missed anything he has done wrong. Can anyone here enlighten me as to what crime he has committed?

12 | TheAshesBlog.com

August 16th, 2009 at 5:52 am

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Dustbinner: Thanks for your comments.
I know a lot of English fans and media were fully behind the idea of recalling Ramprakash for the one Test, but it was always unlikely. Why recall the guy for one Test, and not the next tour of SA?
As for Hauritz, I’ve been really, really impressed by his performances this tour. I think that’s surprised a lot of people here in Australia, because he hasn’t done a lot before this Ashes tour. I think a lot of Aussie fans still expect him to perform badly, so they don’t give him the recognition he deserves for bowling well. Sure, he’s no Warne, and he’s probably not even quite as good as Graeme Swann, but he’s done well when given his opportunities.

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